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View Poll Results: Have any of these apologies been “good enough” for you?
Yes 8 21.05%
No 30 78.95%
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Old 12-15-2017, 12:37 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I have had to seriously reexamine my expectations about gender roles with my boyfriend. He is gentle and sweet and caring and patient and generally all these beautiful things that attract me to him every day and show me that he his a person who I am excited about sharing a future with. But there are so many socially engrained things that show up as turn offs that I still have in me that I don't believe are cavewoman driven as everyone else is so quick to pull up.

I think the turn offs are BECAUSE of the resistance of femininity we have been socialized to accept. I found I would be turned off by his refusal to be aggressive when I wanted him to, because that "seemed feminine" to me and I've been brainwashed to hate that in men. It's not that we need to "toughen up", it's that we can see kindness as a good quality for fucking once can't we? I would so much rather exist in a space where kindness and cooperation and compassion and open exchange are valued over aggression and toughness. I mean for godssake we live NOW, we aren't fighting for survival anymore, I think we can ditch the caveman garbage.
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Old 12-15-2017, 12:41 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Also I dont think there's a difference between my boyfriend not liking coming off as feminine and me not liking him coming off as feminine. It's the same bullshit that we both absorbed and need to get the fuck over.
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Old 12-15-2017, 01:42 PM   #23 (permalink)
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He was offended by something as innocuous as that?

What a pussy.
This is a joke, Bucho is joking by playing into the stereotype.
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Old 12-15-2017, 04:45 PM   #24 (permalink)
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But this is what we’re all fighting for, right? To stop making each other feel threatened for having a range of physical and emotional attributes to our personality. You can change your mind about needing to toughen up your man...
Doesn't it depend? In my relations with others, I would like to encourage them to be their best selves and to do good in the world.

I have one friend who loves theatre, especially the musical variety. I'd never say anything like that to him because that's his path. I respect him immensely and am proud to have him as a friend, but he would be useless in a fight. Freezes and retreats during interpersonal conflict.

I have another friend who was raised by a single mother and sister and has quite masculine aspirations. He's one of the goodest people I know but needs me to tell him to stop being a pussy, get the fuck up, and start working out. Stop spending evenings on Overwatch and start working on his business plan. He responds very positively to masculine peer pressure to perform. More useful in an emergency.

Yang characteristics are often very destructive, and we are thankfully finally discussing an aspect of that publicly, but they are also responsible for building most of human civilisation. The fire that burns within young men should be focused toward useful ends or allowed to burn out harmlessly, but I believe not extinguished.
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Old 12-15-2017, 04:45 PM   #25 (permalink)
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he would be useless in a fight.

He...needs me to tell him to stop being a pussy

More useful in an emergency.

they are also responsible for building most of human civilisation.
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Old 12-15-2017, 05:53 PM   #26 (permalink)
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This is a joke, Bucho is joking by playing into the stereotype.
I was really hoping it was and then immediately thought oh shit it probably was and now I'm the asshole. That's cool i can haz asshole
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Old 12-15-2017, 09:36 PM   #27 (permalink)
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I don't know where to put this since it was brought up in various episodes but when I saw the trailer for Wonder Wheel i thought it was a joke. I am totally disgusted with everyone acting in this movie and especially with whomever cast justin fucking timberlake.
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Old 12-16-2017, 07:49 AM   #28 (permalink)
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I don't know where to put this since it was brought up in various episodes but when I saw the trailer for Wonder Wheel i thought it was a joke. I am totally disgusted with everyone acting in this movie and especially with whomever cast justin fucking timberlake.
Well you're right. It was terrible. And I love JT, and it made me not love JT anymore. I actually walked out.
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Old 12-18-2017, 12:03 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by kaligula 'blah, blah men are great and made the world.'

WTF!
edit: I should probably have left this for Keith. "What 'da fuck!
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Old 12-18-2017, 03:44 PM   #30 (permalink)
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Justin Timberlake’s was great in that Coen Bros film. Just saying
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