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Both me and my mother take out our own garbage. We were annoyed at his big broad shouldered ass watching her do the side shuffle with the garbage. (my mom eventually helped) However, even though it doesn't really apply to this scenario. I want to make clear that my argument isn't that gender roles aren't in the black community. Its that they aren't based on black men seeing black women as fragile or weak. Its black men wanting to display their manhood and black women wanting to display their femininity. Quote:
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So what you are saying is that chivalry is related to American culture but is not related to race or money. I'm saying that American culture is largely about race and money. chivalry = American culture = race & money therefore chivalry = race & money Especially since American chivalry has roots in the upper southern states like the Carolina's bringing back old Victorian ideals of honorable gentlemen and genteel women during antebellum times. The southern "culture of honor" |
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Disagree with your last assertion that chivalry is necessarily about fragility specifically, and again, I haven’t said it once.
And yes, American culture is largely, but not exclusively, about race and money. Gender is as woven into th fabric of the country as either of the two, and he three interact and act separately on occasion. There are parts of American culture that aren’t especially racialized. Chivalry, or gender roles, to an admittedly lesser extent, i think, is one of them. The same trends occur in black people. That is what I was saying, you can disagree with that, but disagree with what I’m actually saying. |
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I disagree about gender, race, or money being able to exist independently of each other in any context in American culture. They are so intricately woven together that it's just not possible. Especially in a social aspect of culture such as gender roles. I am not denying you your personal experience with gender roles. However this is one of those sociology subjects that has been discussed and researched at length. The receipts are there. "Racial Differences in Men's Attitudes About Women's Gender Roles" is a good article to get a general difference in racial expectations of men. (Sorry I can't link, I started typing this reply on my phone without thinking. But if you want I can link you to more recent studies.) |
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Go ahead and link.
My point isn't about the origins of chivalry, but it's current state. Which is why I'm divorcing it from being necessarily about money and fragility. I think we're pretty done here, but I'll read your receipts when you have time to post them. |
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Very thorough paper on the intersectionality of gender, race and socioeconomic status and how they affect gender expectations. Paper on black male masculinity's affect on gender roles in romantic relationships and its origins Last edited by Mermaid; 02-22-2018 at 10:53 AM. |
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