3539: The Nicest Title Ever

[Keith]

I was doing my Norrdmander impression.

[vezione]

Originally Posted by Keith

I was doing my Norrdmander impression.

So good I missed the farce!

[nordcharonmir]

Originally Posted by vezione

You said, "most shooting perpetrators with political leanings are left of center." I ask for your source because that doesn't mesh with the information I have. I was clumsy in my usage of "domestic violence" because I didn't mean it in the context you took. I was more referring to "domestic terrorism." I did not mean domestic abusers. Here's a link to the Times story and I recognize they're using analysis from another source: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/17/b...tings.amp.html

The claim that racism is a cornerstone of postmodernism is wrong. Postmodernism seeks to include voices and perspectives that up until this point have often been left out of the discussion. If those oft-ignored voices lament the racism they've experienced, I can see how racism could seem like a central tenant. But it is not though it should be indictive of something larger in the culture. That is, the US is racist. (Also, because authoritarianism fall to the right of most types of governance, I do question if you can legitimately call yourself an authoritarian leftist. That's probably a different conversation, though.)

Which bring me to systemic racism. I do not think that being ignorant of structural racism in this country precludes anyone from acting racist within that structure. Why? Because it was built by white people that privileges the white experience while creating systems that hinder other people from succeeding. White supremacy isn't about white people as a majority. It is the belief that white people are inherently better and deserve to be in control because of that. I brought that up to address this:

There is something real behind people's reaction to being called "racist." First, I think because structural racism hasn't been explained to them or they reject it, they are unaware of the ways the system benefits them at the exclusion of others. But also, because they get lumped into a group of people you call "psychopaths." I don't know of many people who want to be psychopaths, and by equating psychopathy with racism, people will be even less likely to consider anything they do as racist. That said, a person's racism can be casual. And yes, I have dealt in racism in the past. I may have been unaware of a particular racist history but that does not mean the effect was not still the same. I bought a line handed down through history that hurts somebody else. I can either dig my boots (or whatever fabulous footwear I have) into the ground or recognize that because I still interact in a society, the things I say and do affect other people and can choose to stop doing the best I can. If it's not clear, let me say, I do not think most people are "racist" but most people participate in things that have racial/racist histories. How you react to that news is the important thing to me.

I'm using my phone so my responses aren't as elaborate and succinct as I'd like - but that's my fault. (Also long covid has taken a toll on my brain as I usually have to do a bunch of editing to get my points across. I didn't do that here. It's mostly the stream from my brain which often doesn't make sense anymore.)

First, thank you, vezione, for your well written and thought out reply, it is a greatly appreciated change of pace on this board.

I would love to evaluate the link from the NYT about Domestic Terrorism but it's behind a paywall. Unfortunately I'm not buying a subscription for an editorialization of someone else's work. Do you have the source study/meta-analysis that they are using please?

I very much like your definition of postmodernism more than the core texts and practitioners of the dark art's. Unfortunately the application and self diagnosed (by above groups) of a core tenant of postmodernism is to seek "diversity" on the narrow few types of classification; race being a primary one. This is you framing it as "Postmodernism seeks to include voices and perspectives that up until this point have often been left out of the discussion." This is the classic (and horrible) argument for social equity and dismantling of merit - see Socialism in 20th century for outcomes.

Next, Authoritarianism fall to the right? Please explain. Are you familiar with Socialism my good man? Quick recap Socialism is the bucket that houses Communism, National Socialism, Italian Fascism, etc.

Next, the country was built by white people? Ok, stop, look at this statement in light of the idea that postmodernism has given you a revisionist history that says all social evolution to this point has been top down on the basis of race and only the white race's contributed positively. For this statement to be true we have to intentionally ignore all positive contributions to the country and frankly all civilization by non-"whites", is that really the starting point you want to take after saying postmodernism is not racist???????

Next, I called him a psychopath b/c I think he is mentally ill, maybe a psychopath. You surely could not have read that to mean that all people hold these beliefs and therefore I think all people are psychopaths. I understand you feel guilty for being racist in the past, that is healthy but the over correction to then thinking all white people are racists (implying taking racist action) which is a term well beyond having in group bias is immature at best.

I guess no one has ever explained structural racism to me without starting from presuppositions that require racism from the speaker (I believe, if I understood you, that includes your effort here). I would very much like to hear you out on further fleshing this out without racist presuppositions. My understanding of what structural racism is that a structure (legal, business, membership group etc. - government if the claim is "the US is structurally racist") treats individuals differently on the basis of race. Example for US is racist would be "separate but equal" and for a group being racist would be wanting to hear from certain races and discounting others (valuing certain races 'voices' over others).

[Keith]

Looks good.

[rodimusprime]

Imagine reading all that. I know this fool has a manifesto or two.

[nordcharonmir]

Originally Posted by rodimusprime

Imagine reading all that. I know this fool has a manifesto or two.

Imagine not being able to read a full book. "If only they knew how bad things really are" - Rod

[nordcharonmir]

FYI - Buffalo shooter also mutilated and beheaded cats. So one more check mark for psychopathy and also another warning sign that his parents, siblings, neighbors, classmates, school faculty, mental health professionals, local PD all apparently were aware of.

[rodimusprime]

I read books all the time. I don't read the ramblings of trolls though. Get an editor, an agent and a publishing company and MAYBE one day someone will read that shit.

[bag of lazers]

Can mods change member names? I'm thinking Some Boomer Horseshit would make a good rename for... oh I dunno... someone.

[nordcharonmir]

Originally Posted by rodimusprime

I read books all the time. I don't read the ramblings of trolls though. Get an editor, an agent and a publishing company and MAYBE one day someone will read that shit.

Hahaha Rodniffer....I mean books with no pictures you silly bitch. Regale us if you will with the contents of your "reading" list you claim so boldly to have attempted to read.

And yes, I am a published author. If you read books in my field you will have most likely read something that cites my work.