524: Doing it to Yourself

[panicBoy]

Originally Posted by Yinzer

More reasonably, nobody should hold what these two clowns say in such high esteem that it offends you. Yes KATG is funny, but they are irrelevant. I listen to lowbrow shit like this because it boasts my self worthiness.

I thought the Nick Starr stuff was funny. I wonder if Nick and Spooky are the same dysfunctional podcast character. They are both losers that have some delusion of greatness, neither know how obnoxiously retarded they come off.

Um... fuck you too?

[ballzon]

Originally Posted by be leaves

do you actually think complaining to keith that he offended you is a productive thing to do?

do you?

Yes, I do. Maybe it isn't going to change the mind of someone like Keith, or Mr. Bicester or you, but if you believe in something strong enough, state your side. Don't be afraid of what others might think of you.

You take the chance that you are able to bring to light some of the real problems that are in the world. A chance to interject some other thoughts into the mind of someone that may not have thought of the subject in any other light.

Originally Posted by be leaves

because that's the issue here..

he's just suggesting that people shouldn't do it because it's not really helping anything.

imagine he was saying 'hey, ballzon, don't ring the doorbell'
and you're like 'wtf, i have every right to ring this doorbell.. i'm gonna ring it all i want' and then you ring it and nothing happens because the doorbell is broken.

he's saying not to do it because it's pointless, not because you have no right to...

I understand his point, see above. Ringing a dead doorbell doesn't equate with joking about universal issues such as rape, violence or murder.

Neither does joking about black people living beyond their means, Mexicans driving conversion vans, French people eating stinky cheese or Canadians saying 'eh.

Stereotyping can be a funny humor, the other shows an utter lack of respect for human life.

Originally Posted by be leaves

the show is set up to be honest at the risk of offending every type of person... so to complain that you were offended, as if they will actually change the show, seems pretty silly...

he's saying not to do it because it's silly and seems like a waste of time because of course SOMEONE'S gonna be offended.. what's the point of raising your hand and going 'it was me this time'

this isn't even really an argument because he doesn't really disagree with you.. you're just arguing different unrelated points.

I'm not trying to change the show, I'm trying to say that there is nothing wrong with stating your point of view. Yes, we are on unrelated points when explained the way you stated it.

Originally Posted by Stranger678

I laughed at the coconut jokes also.

You missed the whole point.

[Stranger678]

No I didn't, because I laught at jokes about molestation (Priest ones are especially fun) I laugh about murder, I laugh about everything. I don't appreciate it when someone proclaims what is and isn't funny. I'll decide that for myself. And just as you have your right to find these things universally abhorrent and shout them from the rooftops, I have the right to call you a hypocrite and tell you to shove it. Ain't the internet grand.

[ballzon]

Originally Posted by Stranger678

No I didn't, because I laught at jokes about molestation (Priest ones are especially fun) I laugh about murder, I laugh about everything. I don't appreciate it when someone proclaims what is and isn't funny. I'll decide that for myself. And just as you have your right to find these things universally abhorrent and shout them from the rooftops, I have the right to call you a hypocrite and tell you to shove it. Ain't the internet grand.

Again, you missed my point about Coconut.

If you go back and read it slower and louder, you'll see I wasn't talking about the jokes about Coconut.

[Stranger678]

I don't care what YOUR point about coconut is. My point is that of the things that in this thread have been Declared Universally Abhorrent, I laugh at jokes about all of them. That's MY point. So I still stand that if someone wants to bitch about the programming and how it offends them, then I will bitch about how their thin skin offends me.

Because the internet was made for bitching about tings.

[picard102]

Originally Posted by ballzon

Then you can't censor other's rights to speak their minds, even if it is against the grain of the show. If you don't like the topic of the conversation, you don't have to participate. Simple really.

And you can't censor his rights to make his opinion known.

Originally Posted by ballzon

Stereotyping can be a funny humor, the other shows an utter lack of respect for human life.

Don't forget abortion jokes. Those are hilarious, only because it shows respect for human life.

[william]

Originally Posted by picard102

And you can't censor his rights to make his opinion known.

He isn't nor do I think he's implied that - rather he's argued against censorship - to wit, admonishing the censor.

[mali]

Originally Posted by be leaves

do you actually think complaining to keith that he offended you is a productive thing to do?

do you?

because that's the issue here..

he's just suggesting that people shouldn't do it because it's not really helping anything.

imagine he was saying 'hey, ballzon, don't ring the doorbell'
and you're like 'wtf, i have every right to ring this doorbell.. i'm gonna ring it all i want' and then you ring it and nothing happens because the doorbell is broken.

he's saying not to do it because it's pointless, not because you have no right to...

the show is set up to be honest at the risk of offending every type of person... so to complain that you were offended, as if they will actually change the show, seems pretty silly...

he's saying not to do it because it's silly and seems like a waste of time because of course SOMEONE'S gonna be offended.. what's the point of raising your hand and going 'it was me this time'

this isn't even really an argument because he doesn't really disagree with you.. you're just arguing different unrelated points.

So without getting into layers and layers of specific situations and anecdotes.. i think a good strong example is...

all things seem to be fair game, except one.. rhian and lupus.


Moral of the story.. put up or shut up.

All previous stories re: Rhian were "Oh look at the funny drama stories this chick comes up with" "oh wait something serious" OMG ALL YOU SHUT UP"

Skepticism has always been exercised, until someone yelled ILLNESS

spooky shrug

[william]

Originally Posted by be leaves

do you actually think complaining to keith that he offended you is a productive thing to do?

Dude - your post is so flawed I would be amazed if you meant it seriously.

Complaining to Keith isn't productive? How so? I respect Keith and Chemda's ability to read feedback and to weigh its merits - but you think it's "it's pointless." I disagree.

As for the issue - it isn't "that people shouldn't do it because it's not really helping anything" (how the fuck do 99% of any threads here "help" anything?) rather just like it's your right to comment on her posts, it's Blitzgal's right to react to what was said on the show:

Originally Posted by Blitzgal

"I can understand killing your wife, but how can you kill your own child?"

This really pissed me off. I don't remember if Keith or Brolo said it....no man should be able to explain away a MURDER by claiming "the bitch had it coming."

Two messages later she wrote,

Originally Posted by Blitzgal

...I know I posted in anger. I just had to vent. Now that I'm calmer, I can say thanks for understanding...

Done deal.

But then your sageness stepped in with statements that feed well into your poor analogy:

Originally Posted by be leaves

people have no right to demand that others not tell rape jokes... get pissed and ignore the humor of it all you want.. but keep it to yourself....

This section is "show talk" ie: talk about the show - an open door. Blitzgal "talked," explained why she was upset. But you, on the other hand, took it upon yourself to tell her not to ring the doorbell, to "keep it to [her]self".

ie: You are closing the door. You censor by telling her not to even ring the bell.

Further, you defined the show as "set up to be honest at the risk of offending every type of person" A flawed presumption, equating honesty with offense.

And one shouldn't complain when they're offended because someone's gonna be offended every time? How the fuck does that make any sense?

This is a forum - ie: a public gathering place for us to have discussion. Blitzgal never asked that they "change the show" but you have stated that she not have posted because it suits your sense of wrong.

As much enjoyment as I've gotten from the "New Avatar" threads, I'd trade 1,000 of those posts for one like Blitzgal's. Even if she were in the minority or a lone voice, she advances discourse and therefore for "a forum," she's quite productive.

[mali]

"Amen brother!"

says the atheist