Am I smoking crack?

[Sexy_Potatoe_with_an_E]

Spooky won't pay slave reparations either.

[spooky]

Originally Posted by cogy

republicans are anti science.

umm...no, youre quite wrong here.

Originally Posted by cogy

this is the first year they will admit, in any numbers, that global warming is real.

ive been aware of the fact the earth is warming, the hole in the ozone above the antarctic, all that since grade school. republicans ge the same education as you, we go to the same schools.

Originally Posted by cogy

and even now, their attitude is to grin and say our scientists will find a solution while they did everything in their power to hinder them all the years before. regulations are anti business, after all.

because only republicans work for business', and theres a vast right wing conspiracy working hard to stop scientists from study. lost a few marbles?

Originally Posted by cogy

it isnt conservative businesses pioneering eco friendly technology.

really? because i thought the EV1 was made by general motors, i didnt realize they were so 'indy'

Originally Posted by cogy

its independent foundations unremitting determination to show that indeed humans are fucking the planet, not for people in the year 2300, but for our grandkids, kids, and many of the younger set on these forums.

most of which have a political agenda, sadly, which is why its hard to believe alot of shit they spout. its amazing how republicans are the problem, not the consumerism of americans or capitalism in general. no agenda there.

Originally Posted by cogy

it wasnt halliburton that warned us there is a dwindling, finite amount of oil. they are happy to keep drilling until the end, and then they will sell used drills. and then, out of need, they might work on alt energy sources.

exactly. they are a business, not a scientific organization. they are here to meet the needs and wants of the consumer. if you dont like them, boycott their products, unless your feet dont work for some reason.

Originally Posted by cogy

it is human intervention that is screwing up the planet. thats for sure. on my first trip to nyc i thought something was burning when i got outside the airport. it was just the air in queens.

a city of 8 million people, with the air not blowing in from the ocean, but out to it, its what you would expect. you should visit mexico city. strangely, republicans are somehow responsible there too. and india, holy crap, what a republican stronghold that must be, you should see the shipyards where they tear down old ships for scrap, toxic fumes, 1 in 3 workers gets cancer. those silly republicans, working on global domination.

Originally Posted by cogy

spooky, you seem like a pretty rational republican on other topics. this must be the one that determines your party afiliation.

nope. i believe people should have a right to govern themselves as their community or culture sees fit, not what some urban majority a thousand miles away believes. i dont think anyone has the right to say whats right for some one else. so im republican.

[spooky]

Originally Posted by Sexy_Potatoe_with_an_E

Spooky won't pay slave reparations either.

no, the republicans already freed them and gave them civil rights, its time you democrats made a contribution.

[cogy]

Originally Posted by spooky

umm...no, youre quite wrong here.

really? where is all the "debate" over the validity of evolution coming from? who approved sex ed materials that say condoms are useless? you cant blame it on religion alone. theres a reason they found a voice in the republican party.

Originally Posted by spooky

ive been aware of the fact the earth is warming, the hole in the ozone above the antarctic, all that since grade school. republicans ge the same education as you, we go to the same schools.

well, we all go to very similar schools. since schools are reserve and locally run, what they teach varies from area to area, especially in above topics.

Originally Posted by spooky

nope. i believe people should have a right to govern themselves as their community or culture sees fit, not what some urban majority a thousand miles away believes. i dont think anyone has the right to say whats right for some one else. so im republican.

sounds great as a generalization. not so great when kids have to learn they need to be abstinent or face stds and hell, or that humans are not only blameless but powerless over global warming.

Originally Posted by spooky

because only republicans work for business', and theres a vast right wing conspiracy working hard to stop scientists from study. lost a few marbles?

conspiracies are secret. cut funding is on cspan. instead of researching the effects of environmental hazards, money gets funneled into "faith-based initiatives." while research shows something like arsenic is dangerous in the water supply, a president can say regulations to control it are so antibusiness that hes willing to risk it.

Originally Posted by spooky

really? because i thought the EV1 was made by general motors, i didnt realize they were so 'indy'

like you said, business will not bend over backwards to be responsible. they need special incentives. i wasnt blaming global warming itself on business or republicans, anyway.

now that so much data has accumulated, now that so much of the world realizes that, like the earth circling the sun, its real, and most of all because companies like gm will go bankrupt in the very near future if they continue to base their products on gasoline-powered engines, they are coming to their senses.

i didnt mention conspiracies or global domination. the groups spouting the data i mentioned at least base their political agenda on empirically obtained facts, not on beliefs and convenience.

[Sexy_Potatoe_with_an_E]

most of which have a political agenda, sadly, which is why its hard to believe alot of shit they spout. its amazing how republicans are the problem, not the consumerism of americans or capitalism in general. no agenda there.

I might have to agree with you there...I wouldn't entirely blame the Republican party but I think they do pay a significant role in that they have been dominating the presidency for quite sometime, during the time of which industry has been flourishing which would be the cause for pollution, therefore no legislation isn't getting passed...that's all democrats aren't perfect, I used to be a democrat but now I'm nothing...I don't trust any system of anything where I have to box myself into one set of ideals...didn't Bush pull out of some international conservation act thingy recently...I'm just saying...

[Sexy_Potatoe_with_an_E]

Isn't spooky an athiest...

[cogy]

Originally Posted by spooky

no, the republicans already freed them and gave them civil rights, its time you democrats made a contribution.

ok, a republican freed them. in the 1860s and farther into our history democrats were the ones who wished them to remain slaves. fine. but dont pretend either party today has anything to do with the names used then. if the first republican believed the urban majority had no right to press its views on others 1000s of miles away he would have let the CSA stand. with slaves, since that was their culture.

but to say republicans gave them civil rights.. come on.

[Sexy_Potatoe_with_an_E]

the democratic and republican beliefs switched when Kennedy became president I believe...so technically the democrats freed the slaves, in some southern states the republicans call themselves democrats because they don't want to be associated with Lincoln, but still vote republican.

[Sexy_Potatoe_with_an_E]

I'm gonna have to go with cogy on that one...there's still a racism present and it's probably not just on the republican side...nobody gave anybody rights...those are fucking natural rights, they were constitutionally forced to.

[cogy]

Originally Posted by Sexy_Potatoe_with_an_E

the democratic and republican beliefs switched when Kennedy became president I believe...so technically the democrats freed the slaves, in some southern states the republicans call themselves democrats because they don't want to be associated with Lincoln, but still vote republican.

there wasnt a definite point in time when they switched hands like a baton. democratic presidents became reformers over the years. wilson saw women the right to vote. kennedy forced desegregation in the south. fdr did a little. eventually the parties drifted in their position on this issue so far that by now repubs disagree with repubs several generations ago, and dems disagree with dems.