Doug Stanhope to save Bristol Palin

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Originally Posted by Grapist

There needs to be more scrutiny (and no, not religious scrutiny) counseling to ensure that the person having the abortion is the one making the decision and not someone else.

One of the biggest arguments for abortion is that women don't want the government to tell them what to do with their own bodies. Well you now have the other issues where you have other people manipulating you into doing what they want with the girl's body.

I couldn't disagree more. If a woman isn't able to take care of herself to the extent that she finds herself in the situation of being told "it's an abortion or you're out on the street" and she chooses to stay in the environment where another person could make that demand of her, whether it's family or not, she did make her choice and no amount of pre-abortion counseling is going to change that.

As for my friend, I was very sad for her loss, and it was a terrible choice to have to make, but as much as she claimed to have loved that fetus, she didn't love it enough to leave the comforts of having her rent paid for her and her food bought for her in order to care for it.

Originally Posted by Deborah

Parents forcing their kids into college is a different matter. It will actually be best in the long run. You may end up in a job you're not happy in but you'll be making money and possibly be able to fund yourself to do what you want to do or take advantage of your parents giving you an opportunity and get yourself a decent career!

I think that sometimes being forced into military service can be as beneficial as being forced into college. Some people thrive in the military environment. Who knows, maybe Palin's son was born to be cannon fodder. I'm sure we all know a few people who may have been better off in a career as a human shield.

Originally Posted by Deborah

Now, when I was 17 I borrowed money from one of my best friends and had an abortion. My parents didn't know! Abortion isn't even legal in Ireland so I also booked my own flights to England and took care of myself. It is very possible to do.

Now, I'm almot 19 with my own apartment and funding myself through college.

My parents aren't poor. They would be able to have me live at home and take care of me while I go to uni but I'm an adult, I want to look after myself and make my own decisions!

/rant.

But not everyone is together enough to take charge of things like that, and that's what makes them children, and beholden to someone else's will.