Elections in France

[lickmyballssuckmy]

Originally Posted by germuhknee

So about France ...

Fuck told me not to be afraid. That was my big concern.

[strafer_praha]

Originally Posted by decola

If France elects Royal they're doomed. I read her proposals a while ago (can't find them now) and apparently she wants to fund huge public spending with projected the meagre growth France gets, and basically wants to make labour laws more rigid. Bleh. Maybe if she gets elected it will kick socialism out of France for good.

..and slightly off topic, but did that little rant on Da Bomb about walmart not letting workers form unions bother anyone? The source seemed incredibly biased. iirc the article said something like unfair US labour laws means walmart can get away with it, which I think it should, as it's not getting away with anything, it's the one paying the workers and it should be it's decision whether or not to hire union labour, and the article Keith was reading made it sound like it was a human right to be able to form unions. RTFM. [/mini rant]

Shouldn't the workers be allowed to do whatever they want on their own free time? And if they all choose to get together and demand better wages when they're not on the clock shouldn't they be allowed to do so?

[lickmyballssuckmy]

Originally Posted by decola

If France elects Royal they're doomed. I read her proposals a while ago (can't find them now) and apparently she wants to fund huge public spending with projected the meagre growth France gets, and basically wants to make labour laws more rigid. Bleh. Maybe if she gets elected it will kick socialism out of France for good.

..and slightly off topic, but did that little rant on Da Bomb about walmart not letting workers form unions bother anyone? The source seemed incredibly biased. iirc the article said something like unfair US labour laws means walmart can get away with it, which I think it should, as it's not getting away with anything, it's the one paying the workers and it should be it's decision whether or not to hire union labour, and the article Keith was reading made it sound like it was a human right to be able to form unions. RTFM. [/mini rant]

I didn't hear the rant yet.. but I hate unions a LOT. The original idea is great but they have turned into mafia-type organizations. My current job is for the state of hawaii and is unionized and I want to leave but there are no jobs around here. I had a job interview yesterday so wish me luck.

Unions suck balls!! They guarantee mediocrity. Walmart doesn't like them because the low prices they charge are what keeps them able to put other businesses out of business. If they go unionized, they would have to bump up prices and lose profitability. Some stores are highly profitable. Others just barely make a profit. Add unions, and Walmart would close those stores just to keep stockholders happy.

However, if Walmart is going to keep fucking people over and treat them like animals, then going unionized is the next logical step so that they employees will have more of a voice.

[strafer_praha]

Originally Posted by lickmyballssuckmy

I didn't hear the rant yet.. but I hate unions a LOT. The original idea is great but they have turned into mafia-type organizations. My current job is for the state of hawaii and is unionized and I want to leave but there are no jobs around here. I had a job interview yesterday so wish me luck.

Unions suck balls!! They guarantee mediocrity. Walmart doesn't like them because the low prices they charge are what keeps them able to put other businesses out of business. If they go unionized, they would have to bump up prices and lose profitability. Some stores are highly profitable. Others just barely make a profit. Add unions, and Walmart would close those stores just to keep stockholders happy.

However, if Walmart is going to keep fucking people over and treat them like animals, then going unionized is the next logical step so that they employees will have more of a voice.

Capitalism, you need to balance one evil with another evil.

[lickmyballssuckmy]

Yep. If businesses want to be great, they need to treat their people great. If they don't, the employees will start pushing for more. Once it reaches that point where lawyers are involved and negotiations are going on all the time, you will slowly sink into medicority and the next company will rise up.

[strafer_praha]

Originally Posted by lickmyballssuckmy

Yep. If businesses want to be great, they need to treat their people great. If they don't, the employees will start pushing for more. Once it reaches that point where lawyers are involved and negotiations are going on all the time, you will slowly sink into medicority and the next company will rise up.

Its an organic process then

[decola]

Originally Posted by strafer_praha

Shouldn't the workers be allowed to do whatever they want on their own free time? And if they all choose to get together and demand better wages when they're not on the clock shouldn't they be allowed to do so?

Not if under in the contract you sign to work for Walmart they specifically state that they don't recognise unions. You should be able to do what you want in your free time, but if you're violating your contract you should be prepared to face the consequences.

I didn't hear the rant yet.. but I hate unions a LOT. The original idea is great but they have turned into mafia-type organizations. My current job is for the state of hawaii and is unionized and I want to leave but there are no jobs around here. I had a job interview yesterday so wish me luck.

Unions suck balls!! They guarantee mediocrity. Walmart doesn't like them because the low prices they charge are what keeps them able to put other businesses out of business. If they go unionized, they would have to bump up prices and lose profitability. Some stores are highly profitable. Others just barely make a profit. Add unions, and Walmart would close those stores just to keep stockholders happy.

However, if Walmart is going to keep fucking people over and treat them like animals, then going unionized is the next logical step so that they employees will have more of a voice.
Today 02:41 A

They gurantee mediocrity and they simply price people out of jobs by demanding artificially high wages. And striking gets on my last nerve, it's basically holding your employer hostage and using the public as pawns for the unions end, and what's worse, in most countries (or at least over here) you can't fire labour which is on strike. I remember reading once a Fiat factory was going to close down in Italy and move elsewhere (Eastern europe methinks) and unions began striking and Fiat was forced to keep the plant open. And they wonder why local companies are shite and unemployment is 8%. I agree that Walmart should stop treating their workers like shit though, I just think it's makes more sense to use the media and public pressure and literally make people vote with their feet rather than unionise, and it was really just the tone of the article that was read that got on my nerve. Gluck for you interview

[strafer_praha]

Originally Posted by decola

Not if under in the contract you sign to work for Walmart they specifically state that they don't recognise unions. You should be able to do what you want in your free time, but if you're violating your contract you should be prepared to face the consequences.

This just means they don't recognize the right of someone to negoiate on behalf of a large group of employees, doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to form a collective.

[lickmyballssuckmy]

Hey. They can post on http://walmartsucks.com. They have a voice!

[strafer_praha]

Originally Posted by lickmyballssuckmy

Hey. They can post on http://walmartsucks.com. They have a voice!

Maybe they want to exercise their right to free speech in the walmart parking lot