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The only people I am referring to are the terrorists. Defending murderers makes you the fucking asshole. Last edited by Nihility; 08-11-2006 at 11:43 AM. |
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"which wars have been resolved by complete elimination of the other side?[/QUOTE]
Just to throw in my two cents, wars are usually not won with the complete destruction of the 'other' side, rather the destruction of the other side's ability to wage war. |
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Which wars? The crusades for instance. Was there any way the victims of those wars could have reached an agreement with the other side? Not just elimination, assimilation also works. The point is, you can't argue with someones faith. If one side believes god wants one thing and the other believes he wants another and the only argument either side can produce is "Faith". Then there is no way to resolve that conflict. The motives of suicide bombers do not in fact come from the Koran as much as it comes from an interpretation of it. It is much easier to use ones faith to control them than it is to get them to do it for any other reason. Holy wars do not end well. |
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In fact the knights who went to Jerusalem were officially expunged of all sins they would commit during their crusade by the Catholic Church, so they could rape, murder, and pillage without any consequences. Sounds a little like the shahids you were talking about earlier; forgiven completely and ushered into heaven for their sacrifice. And who started that "war"? The pope. It was unmotivated except to distract people from corruption and to obtain money and land for the Church by obtaining it legally from knights who died on this misguided quest. White people and Christians: we should be a-fucking-shamed of this travesty being a part of our history. Can we please try not to make a new crusade in the present by learning from the past? |
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Every human on the Earth carries some ancestral guilt. White Christians aren't the only ones with atrocities in their past and the liberal hippy guilt is really getting old. Where's Spain's apologies for destroying the Mayan and Aztec civilizations, plus reparations for all the gold they stole? ** as an aside, this is what angers me about Mexicans bitching about how California used to be their land and we stole it. Yeah, how dare we win a war and take land that they had already stolen??? ** Where's the Arabic apology for the African slave trade? A condition that still exists today, btw. Where's the Arab Muslim apology for the atrocities of the Barbary pirates? Where is the Mongol apology for their invasion of Europe? |
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I did not know about the Saecsens attacking pilgrims, but I still believe there is significant evidence of Church corruption at the time of the Crusades, enough that I believe there were motives other than simple defense of pilgrims. The fact that knights were pre-cleared of Crusade based sins is enough for me to doubt that this conflict was based on noble principles. But thanks for your input; I'll have to waste a bunch of time looking the Crusades up on Wikipedia now. Time to put on my hemp backpack, tie back my white-man dreadlocks, and go play hacky sack in the rain while listening to Dave Matthews. /ironic shrug |
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