Will Obama Censor KATG?

[Lambboy]

Originally Posted by Alexandra

Depends on how you define "liberal", a term that shifts meaning with time. Jefferson, as you know, was a liberal, but I don't think Comrade Pelosi would agree with much of his platform. I'm pretty sure that using today's definition, we can find censoring loonies on either side of the aisle. As well as all kinds of loonies. For example: The Truth: Kansas Suspending Income Tax Refunds

I do hope that those of you who consider yourselves liberal today and have spent at least some time of the past 8 years bemoaning the evil-ness of Bush and Company enjoy every single attack your boy and his merry band of idiots get as long as there is a democrat in the white house. (think that one through, you'll get the entire point) Let's start with the "Taxes? We don't pay no stinkin' taxes!" bunch. But of course, that wouldn't provide a "fair counterpoint" to the last 8 years would it? I think that's called stooping to their level.

First off: You too are a fucking moron.

Second: I have no idea what the situation with the tax returns in KS has to do with anything. The funny thing about it is it's the Republicans that are causing the problem. The governor proposed to borrow from healthy state funds to pay the employees of the state and give the tax refunds but the Republicans said "No". Republicans are saying that won't happen. It might not even be legal they say. This borrowing, called certificates of indebtedness, however has already been used for $550 million this last fiscal year alone. The Republicans are doing this to blackmail the governor into signing the budget cut bill. The budget cuts in the bill add up to 326 Million which includes 32 million for education. Fuck the kids right?

So the governor wants to give everyone their money but the Republicans won't let her. Stay classy Right Wing.

As for the fact that you hope the United States is attacked and people die so you can gloat that it happened while a Democrat is in office, I guess that makes you just all sorts of special. As I recall though the last time there was a major attack on the US a Republicans ass was sitting behind the desk in the oval office. Then he managed to get us into a never ending war with a country that didn't have a fucking thing to do with it.

You're aces!!!

[Cretaceous Bob]

Misinterpreting quotes... garnering news from "ANYTHING LIBERAL IS THE END OF THE WORLD" type of website... associating a completely uninvolved party with the wishes of a committee that is not even in the branch of government the uninvolved party works in... fear-mongering thread title aimed directly at the reader's interests...

Ahhhh, panic-stricken conservatives. Liberals fuck everything up, don't they?

I really don't see the point in finding the most extreme point of view in a political party and then using it as a reason to fear any possibility of putting anyone from that party in power. I don't see how, if you do that, it isn't a moral obligation to kill everyone that votes Democrat or Republican.

I will say, for all your pompous chest-pounding about rights, Bush actually suspended habeas corpus for the first time since a very brief moment in World War II, whereas you morons are crying about a House committee just talking. Did you nutters promptly run to your nearest forum and post "Will Bush's jackbooted thugs kick down my door and hold me indefinitely?" I'm guessing you didn't.

[ihatethesooners]

Originally Posted by Lambboy

:: everything LB said ::

Agreed.

Originally Posted by Cretaceous Bob

:: everything CB said ::

Also agreed.

To even imply that this past administration, for better or worse, hasn't been one of the most secretive, human-rights ignoring, censoring, lying, double-speaking White House administrations in the history of this country, is one of the most asinine things anyone could say (or type) out loud. And then to imply that the "liberals," which by your tone I am going to go ahead and assume you meant every fucking democrat you can point at, are the ones likely to censor freedom of the press/speech ... well it shows balls I guess. Big, retarded brass ones.

And anyone who even implies that they hope a terrorist attack happens during this current administration just to prove to all those damn democrats how wrong they were, should be sent to Gitmo and experience the kind of enhanced interrogation techniques our last administration was so keen on.

[Cretaceous Bob]

And let's make it clear: this presidency is not being excused for anything it does because the last one was worse. The point is if you're going to claim you don't like peanut butter, you should have protested when somebody showed up in a peanut butter suit saying peanut butter is essential to protecting freedom.

How about this brand of peanut butter: the Bush administration enacted a policy that bars the press from showing dead American soldiers. If you justify this, for whatever reason, you are conceding that freedom of the press (which, make no mistake, is what the fairness shit would affect) can be limited. In which case, I fail to see how mandated representation of opposing opinions is more threatening to the intent and spirit of the 1st Amendment than making informing the American public on the full extent of effects of our government's actions illegal. Honestly, explain to me how you're okay with a conscious decision to coerce public opinion, but the idea of forcing representation of opposing opinions is appalling? If, however, you agree that the press should not be limited in either manner, you would at least support Obama to a small extent, as he is looking into removing said policy, and then you wouldn't be so quick to label him with shit that's completely unrelated to him.

This thread's supporters are vehement partisan fanatics who are more interested in watching bitterly warring political factions burn America to the ground than possibly allowing some sort of compromise be forged with the opposing side. Everything bad Bush did couldn't possibly have happened if conservatives were more concerned with protecting the interests of America than the interests of conservatism, and it is GUARANTEED that EVERYTHING bad Obama does WILL BE UNPREVENTABLE because the liberals will be more concerned with protecting the interests of liberalism than the interests of America. Argue about your ideals some more, fanatics. Nothing ever changes on those fronts, meanwhile the executive branch is running through the halls of Balanced Power, stealing whatever it wants because the fucking watchdogs are too busy bitching about useless, meaningless nonsense. Quick, get whipped into a psychotic frenzy by whatever vitriolic talking head "gets it". Talk disgustedly with your friends about how life as we know it is definitely going to come crashing down soon. Don't worry, no elected officials would ever take advantage of a deadlocked American public.

[TulsaCowboy]

Originally Posted by Lambboy

Eight years. Eight long and horrible mother fucking years we had to sit here and watch them take this country to it's knees. And now that it's over we still have to listen to this bullshit?

I sick of hearing shit from the likes of Rush Limbaugh who says he "Hopes Obama fails" If he fails, then we as a country are fucked. The most popular Right wing asshole says things about the fairness doctrine along with a ton of other lies and is hoping that more Americans are out of work and things get worse so that they can win back political positions.

Ok, Obama spent more within his first fucking 4 weeks in office than Bush did in his entire 8yrs! Even the neutral congressional budget office said only like 25 cents on the dollar of this 'stimulus plan' could be described as infrastructure/stimulus. Even worse, only a fraction of that is spent this year. When all years of spending are included we end up with more than $3 trillion, for nothing but waste.

As far as hoping Obama fails, I hope he fails at spending us into a depression. This Keynesian bullshit has been tried and failed multiple times; the Great Depression, Japan in the 90s, and Carter in the 70s. Keynes was a childless asshat economist that was famous for saying "in the long run we are all dead" because he gave a shiat about the long term and laying all this debt on the next generation. Even in the short term, these Keyenesian stimulus plans have failed and left the economy in worse shape than it was to begin with.

Our economy got into this mess due to the demand bubble for consumption running rampant under the easy money policies of Clinton and Bush and the government monkeying directly with the mortgage markets through Fannie/Freddy. So what is Obama's answer... spend our way out of it, with more government intervention?! Pump the demand bubble back up instead of accepting that supply must come down to balance. It is guaranteed to fail, it has every time it has ever been tried.

So yes I hope he fails to enlarge the federal government till it runs every aspect of our lives. I hope he fails at releasing all the terrorists in Guantanamo, one Guantanamo grad is already heading up Al Queda in Yemen.

Originally Posted by Lambboy

Get this straight. REPUBLICANS DON'T GIVE A FLYING FUCK ABOUT YOU (unless you're a millionaire)

I would say there are way more millionaires and Hollywood elites in the Obama camp than the conservative camp.

And as far as Obama being much more open.. I would love that to have been true. But at his press conferences so far, rather than opening the floor to questions and choosing reporters by the traditional method of hand raising and the President calling on questioners, Obama prepares a hand picked few whose questions are screened before hand and deemed softball enough for Obama to answer. Also by choosing prior to the press conference, Obama had opportunity to prepare an answer rather than risk stumbling and bumbling like he does off the cuff. Likewise, the stimulus bill was put out for review with over a thousand pages in a fucking pdf file so no press could search through it before it passed.

One more thing... Obama needs to shut is fucking mouth about us going into a depression, every time he says something the market tanks. Oil consumption and even retail sales went up last month, we are running joblessness that is less than a third of depression numbers, the main thing driving us into a recession is the President telling me on every channel that we are going to have another Great Depression. Perception becomes reality.

“Man is not free unless government is limited...as government expands, liberty contracts.” -The Gipper

Whew got that off my chest! Spirited political debate is good for democracy.

[Rhian]

This has always made me sick. Gov't bullshit trying to tell people what to do.

I'm not going into some diatribe, when my points have been addressed.

Obama will be in my city - the capital of Canada (yes after 8 pm on commercial radio you can hear motherfucker and the like) so I'll tell him to not touch the censor button.

[dzagama]

MOTHERFUCK. Board log-out bug censors dzagama; browser back-button, complicit in crime.

[Alexandra]

Originally Posted by Lambboy

First off: You too are a fucking moron.

Second: I have no idea what the situation with the tax returns in KS has to do with anything. The funny thing about it is it's the Republicans that are causing the problem. The governor proposed to borrow from healthy state funds to pay the employees of the state and give the tax refunds but the Republicans said "No". Republicans are saying that won't happen. It might not even be legal they say. This borrowing, called certificates of indebtedness, however has already been used for $550 million this last fiscal year alone. The Republicans are doing this to blackmail the governor into signing the budget cut bill. The budget cuts in the bill add up to 326 Million which includes 32 million for education. Fuck the kids right?

So the governor wants to give everyone their money but the Republicans won't let her. Stay classy Right Wing.

As for the fact that you hope the United States is attacked and people die so you can gloat that it happened while a Democrat is in office, I guess that makes you just all sorts of special. As I recall though the last time there was a major attack on the US a Republicans ass was sitting behind the desk in the oval office. Then he managed to get us into a never ending war with a country that didn't have a fucking thing to do with it.

You're aces!!!

Wow, I think I'll put down the book I'm currently writing to start a new one titled: Everything I Ever Needed to Know About Psycho Liberals I Learned on a KATG Thread. Hmmmm, needs some work.

First: I can't tell if you actually are incapable of understanding my post or if you are being deliberately obtuse. So hard to say over the interwebs. Now, perhaps your life experiences are different than mine, and perhaps you tend to the physical response - so that's what you assume everyone else does. Let me be very clear: what I hope is that all you liberals who spent any part of the last 8 years making your little cracks about Bush and his evil band of whatever crap leaked out of your mouth fully enjoy the VERBAL attacks from the RIGHT WING media, and potentially the mainstream (that would be self defined liberal) media. I certainly wouldn't wish physical harm on anyone, and the fact that you assume I meant a terror attack on this country tells me that you know absolutely nothing about me whatsoever, but that you are the kind of guy who jumps to conclusions, and honestly, the fact that you even thought of that as an option tells me plenty about you, but nothing very flattering.

Secondly, actually - you see if you can convice me that you were being deliberately obtuse and I'll explain my point about the idiocy in BOTH parties in Kansas. Now, for us to have that conversation, you're going to have to be a little open minded and stay away from the "All conservatives are evil and liberals can do no wrong" fantasy. Are you so capable?

[typicallistener]

they took our jerrrbs

[Rhian]

Originally Posted by Lord of the Cock Rings

Aww, it's so cute to see a proud Canadian earnestly expressing such a sentiment....

aww thanks. Just sayin.