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View Poll Results: Re: MNIK 43: The Collective: Whose beliefs do you more associate with?
Keith 12 44.44%
Chemda 5 18.52%
They both believe the same thing 10 37.04%
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Old 01-02-2018, 05:36 PM   #21 (permalink)
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With all things just apply achems razor to it. Also look into logical fallacies. It's a lifetime struggle for me. Loved this episode.
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Old 01-02-2018, 06:16 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I think that god is just the collection of shared consciousness. I dont think it would be possible we would have a concept of that as a species if we didnt have speech or written language. Its the buildup of communication and shared ideas over a space of time. People can experience the same kind of feelings through a football club, or even (to a lesser extent but still the same idea) the same people you see at the bus stop each morning, or the ritual of walking your dog. People make waaaaay to much fuss over things, jeez wouldnt it be nice if we were all just goldfish.
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Old 01-04-2018, 11:49 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Duncan Trussell (who memorably interviewed Keith and Chemda) has championed the chant music / Kirtan I referred to earlier. His origin story with it is here if anyone is interested in learning more. I don't have the answers, I'm just open to the questions.
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Old 09-20-2018, 06:02 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Another VIP Catch-up listen, sorry for the necro-posting...

I hope I haven't missed any big changes in Chemda's spirituality this year, because then all these words might be for nothing

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I'm glad Keith mentioned spiritual because that's how I feel, but it can sound goofy to say. I just want to be one with the earth!
Congratulations, you're wish can come true! Unfortunately you have to die first...

AS an ex-fundie Christian for 40+ years, I have explored this territory for almost two decades now. Instead of trying to split hairs over the definition of 'God' I find it easier to shift the discussion to natural vs super-natural. Most of what people think of as super-natural is basically impossible.

Example: If you traveled back in time to early cave-man and showed them something as simple as a flashlight, would they not think you had god-like powers? And yet you would be breaking no known laws of physics. You would be perfectly *natural*. But to them, a super-natural god.

As we have progressed through time, more and more things that we once either misunderstood or mislabeled come to be understood. We understand our heliocentric solar system with it's round earth orbiting it, and a round moon orbiting us. We understand that our universe is expanding and moving away from a central point. We no longer require a super-natural 'god' for this.

In my experience, this idea of a universal consciousness comes from a misunderstanding of the sensations and changes in perception during periods where the brain is under the influence of a chemical. The same brain can perceive alternate universes during LSD or peyote trips *AND* see giant non-existent pink elephants when bathed in alcohol. And let's not forget nightmares induced by PTSD. None of that is real or actually happening, but only the *good* trips are credited for allowing us to see into some other realm of supposed reality. And don't even get me started on salvia trips which can *induce* PTSD all on their own. (ask me how I know)

Just because the brain can have hallucinations doesn't mean it has become perceptive of reality. It is more likely that it is simply malfunctioning in unique ways.

I've meditated, done yoga, hung out in a Krishna temple, done salvia and weed and a ton of alcohol. Sometimes you have to see things first-hand. I get it. But while you are keeping an open mind, remain open to the possibility that there is no 'spiritual' connectedness or universal consciousness going on. Maybe such things are limited to the weak electro-chemical energy that keeps our brains working and our ability to read each other's body language.

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