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Old 09-07-2017, 12:15 PM   #11 (permalink)
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One of the most Al-Anon things I've ever heard was when Chemda told Libby that it's ok to not count her relapse. If your relapse matters to you, you count it. Otherwise you end up sniffing alcohol then shotgunning a can of coke and telling yourself it's all good and you can't even take a chip anywhere and you definitely don't have someone in recovery that you can be honest with. I've been sober for 6 years in AA with no slips and I do not have to do anything like that to not drink. I don't even think about drinking and I was a daily blackout hope to die suicidal drinker. You can recover. If there's anyone here that is trying AA or doing some sort of outpatient or talk therapy or anything like that and is taking suggestions, trying something new and participating in their recovery, even if you hate it, it works if you work at it and I wish you the best.
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Old 09-07-2017, 12:46 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I'm really Glad that everyone else seems to have such a great experience with 12 step programs. My mom dragged me to an AlAnon meeting when I was a teen, and the one we went to was really just a bunch of rich middle aged white women more pissed that their breadwinner wasn't dispensing with the money than anything else. It was also the biggest pity party that I had ever seen, and noone was challenged to grow on anything. Over the years, I've realized that perhaps this group was a fluke.

ETA: specifically, I remember everyone repeating the idea that addiction was something their husband did to them, and inflicted on their lives. And there was no talk of taking control of your own life, and owning your own decisions or actions that have impacted where you are now.
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Old 09-07-2017, 02:28 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I'm really Glad that everyone else seems to have such a great experience with 12 step programs. My mom dragged me to an AlAnon meeting when I was a teen, and the one we went to was really just a bunch of rich middle aged white women more pissed that their breadwinner wasn't dispensing with the money than anything else. It was also the biggest pity party that I had ever seen, and noone was challenged to grow on anything. Over the years, I've realized that perhaps this group was a fluke.

ETA: specifically, I remember everyone repeating the idea that addiction was something their husband did to them, and inflicted on their lives. And there was no talk of taking control of your own life, and owning your own decisions or actions that have impacted where you are now.


- In every meeting, they tell new comers to go to six different meetings before you decide if Al-Anon is for you.

- Al-Anon is not for children. It's for adults. Alateen is for younger people.

- It works if you work it.


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Hm... maybe I should give a meeting another shot. I don't know if my problems are really in AlAnon's charter though. I don't have any drinkers in my life anymore and have decent boundaries, I'm just afraid I don't deserve happiness in life and that anything I enjoy will ultimately be taken from me... Is that like an AlAnon thing?
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Old 09-07-2017, 02:41 PM   #15 (permalink)
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You're ready for Landmark. Do you have 12 friends?
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You're ready for Landmark. Do you have 12 friends?
I do!!! and a pocket full of cash burning a *hole. It's been a long week and I cant spell.
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Old 09-07-2017, 02:59 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Chemda doubted that only so few people admitted to addiction.
I thought again about it in context of my family but no.
I can detect mental illness, bad communication styles, having problems talking about feelings, unhealthy eating habits, racism.
So enough things to deal with. But no addiction or co dependence.
Maybe there is something to say about genetic disposition.
I can offer depression with intrusive thoughts ( luckily I'm fine for some years now, I still take a low dose of Zoloft) but that's it.
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Old 09-07-2017, 05:07 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Hm... maybe I should give a meeting another shot. I don't know if my problems are really in AlAnon's charter though. I don't have any drinkers in my life anymore and have decent boundaries, I'm just afraid I don't deserve happiness in life and that anything I enjoy will ultimately be taken from me... Is that like an AlAnon thing?
Can't say either way but it's free so why not try a couple.

For the record, you don't have to have active drinkers in your life in order for them to have affected you.

Look up meetings in your area. If one jumps at you, whether it's because of the name of the meeting, the topic, or it just fits your schedule. Sometimes, the first meeting is where you end up returning. Sometimes, you have to look in a couple rooms to find one that fits.
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Love it when Libby is on the show! And may the people who make fun of someone's laugh die of a million paper cuts!
Yes, I love Libby's laugh both her regular laugh and the "Ha!". Live free and laugh free Libby!
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Fun fact regarding Cleveland's preseason: The Lions won all their preseason games the year they lost every regular season game. Still the only team to do that in the 16 game Era.
That was a nightmare not a fun fact. #tryingtoforget #lionsfan
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