Empire (Good or Evil)

[klang]

Originally Posted by the Rook

Your right. You should ONLY think of yourself. Always. And make as much money as you can. And make sure no one ever gets it.

Fuck the world. Fuck anyone poorer than you. Fuck any people other than those exactly like you...no, fuck them too.

Take everything. Consume all you can and waste as much as you can so you can consume more. Use up everything you can. Use more than everybody else, so they can't have anything. Fuck 'em if they can't keep up.

Kill anyone different than you. We should all be exactly the same.

Right?



jeez...

.. that is the twisted common view on capitalism, isn't it?

If you are not supporting this system, you are AGAINST it. Everything is BLACK or WHITE. Fuck or get fucked.

[lickmyballssuckmy]

Judging by the title (Empire, good or evil), the one who started this thread was just mischaracterizing the state of world affairs to throw out some good old anti-war hatred.

The answer? Empire is evil.

I'm assuming that this is a lightly veiled implication that the U.S. is "occupying" Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. and trying to take over the world.

We're not. Get your facts straight. To say not one cent is spent saving starving kids in South America is insane. When you use words, you should mean them and they should be true.

Why bombs? Because a good portion of the world understands only strength. Anybody bad, or intending to do bad things, has bombs or is doing their best to get them and if we sit around with no bombs, then we are dead.

Even a first post based on a lie can start a good thread. Who knew?

[klang]

Originally Posted by lickmyballssuckmy

I'm assuming that this is a lightly veiled implication that the U.S. is "occupying" Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. and trying to take over the world.
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I don't have the impression that The U.S. is trying to take over the world. But the administration is trying to control the oil in the middle east.

I hope the price of oil goes up to $120 a barrel! .. why? Because at that point, the people is going to start asking questions and maybe try to find alternatives to the way things work. (we already pay more for our gas here, than you do in the States so quit complaining)

Personally, I am not crazy about The U.S. raging war in the middle east .. it causes refugees to come to MY country instead of the U.S. .. I have to pay for the upkeep of theese (oh so poor) refugees and I don't like that.

I think it's a shame, that countries (in general) use so much money on "protecting" their own borders, while the citizens are left to rot. I am not a socialist, but I don't want to be bothered by beggars or people sleaping on the street.. balance.

[lickmyballssuckmy]

First of all, I make fun of everybody who whines about gas prices here. There are over 100 countries that pay more than us. Every news story about how people are canceling summer vacation because of the gas prices is retarded. If you can't afford an extra $20 a day for gas (if you are driving almost all day long), then you don't have enough money to go on vacation to begin with.

Anyway, what makes you think that we are trying to control oil in the middle east? I listen to all kinds of liberal radio and they all say that and they all believe it but nobody ever bothers to say why. I'm just curious because it sounds like a ridiculous thing to say to me.

When it comes to the middle east, we don't control anything. The people who do control things are sticking to the world at every turn. We have all kinds of alternative energy companies doing business in the U.S. but we haven't built a new oil refinery for 30 years. I'd say that is a good indication that we are looking past oil for the future and that we aren't controlling oil in the middle east. We're so retarded on that point, that we are the only country in the world that has put some of our own national oil resources off-limits and we are funding plenty of alternative energy research. And yet it sounds like you buy it when somebody tells you the U.S. is trying to control oil in the middle east. What makes you believe this stuff? These countries that you think are our friends are moving there billions out of the U.S. dollar and into the Euro in an attempt to devalue the U.S. dollar. We are essentially powerless and yet you think we are the strongman in this scenario.

Originally Posted by klang

I don't have the impression that The U.S. is trying to take over the world. But the administration is trying to control the oil in the middle east.

I hope the price of oil goes up to $120 a barrel! .. why? Because at that point, the people is going to start asking questions and maybe try to find alternatives to the way things work. (we already pay more for our gas here, than you do in the States so quit complaining)

Personally, I am not crazy about The U.S. raging war in the middle east .. it causes refugees to come to MY country instead of the U.S. .. I have to pay for the upkeep of theese (oh so poor) refugees and I don't like that.

I think it's a shame, that countries (in general) use so much money on "protecting" their own borders, while the citizens are left to rot. I am not a socialist, but I don't want to be bothered by beggars or people sleaping on the street.. balance.

[klang]

Originally Posted by lickmyballssuckmy

[snip]Every news story about how people are canceling summer vacation because of the gas prices is retarded.

Anyway, what makes you think that we are trying to control oil in the middle east? [snip]

"They spend so much money on their wedding that they couldn't go on their honnymoon" .. "Good, jerkoffs.."

What can I say? People are getting used to the prices here ($6.70/gl) ..sadly.

Why control oil, why go to war .. there are so many things in life that are strange. Control of Oil gives power. War makes money. Fear sells protection. Protection costs money. Money gives power. There is no easy way to fix the world, except if you have had too much alcohol and the night is getting tired.. :-)

The world COULD be a better place, but I think that big changes only come when they are strictly necessary. $15 per gallon of gas .. maybe alternatives start looking interesting.

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[ooda]

Originally Posted by Wrathchild

what i dont get is that the government is spending billions of dollars on bombs. Yet not one cent is spent on saving the starving kids in south america.

Oh, and asshole, you don't get any points for starting a thread and not offering any input yourself, other than a brief naive comment.

Anyway...



While a couple years old, this shows that South America gets a fair chunk of change. I'd assume at least one of those many cents are being spent on feeding starving children (viva la revolution!).

And looking at recent (2006) numbers, while the numbers are lower, the aid is still up there (usaid.gov as the source). I went through the South American countries (Latin America and the Carribean), and here are some interesting numbers...

US Foreign Aid - 2006
__________________________

Bolivia - $99,005,000
Brazil - $17,073,000
Caribbean Regional - $15,655,000
Central America Regional - $13,847,000
Colombia - $127,757,000
Cuba - $15,000,000
Dominican Republic - $22,628,000
Ecuador - $27,969,000
El Salvador - $25,354,000
Guatemala - $39,863,000
Guyana - $3,938,000
Haiti - $131,849,000
Honduras - $44,965,000
Jamaica - $14,197,000
Latin American and Caribbean Regional - $67,283,000
Mexico - 30,938,000
Nicaragua - $41,390,000
Panama - $8,604,000
Paraguay - $10,815,000
Peru - $93,549,000


I mean yeah, you probably are right in some respect. Not all of that money is being spent on just buying sacks of rice and whatnot. A lot of it is being used to improve the economic and political health of these nations. More could be spent, but it's still better than nothing.

[benjita]

Empire: Good fucking movie.

[klang]

while we are talking about what the American budget is burned on, check this one .. http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/9410862/

[lickmyballssuckmy]

He was right, though. We didn't spend one cent. I'm pretty sure that's what he meant. He's upset that we spent so much and still had enough left over for a few bombs.

Originally Posted by ooda

Oh, and asshole, you don't get any points for starting a thread and not offering any input yourself, other than a brief naive comment.

Anyway...



While a couple years old, this shows that South America gets a fair chunk of change. I'd assume at least one of those many cents are being spent on feeding starving children (viva la revolution!).

And looking at recent (2006) numbers, while the numbers are lower, the aid is still up there (usaid.gov as the source). I went through the South American countries (Latin America and the Carribean), and here are some interesting numbers...

US Foreign Aid - 2006
__________________________

Bolivia - $99,005,000
Brazil - $17,073,000
Caribbean Regional - $15,655,000
Central America Regional - $13,847,000
Colombia - $127,757,000
Cuba - $15,000,000
Dominican Republic - $22,628,000
Ecuador - $27,969,000
El Salvador - $25,354,000
Guatemala - $39,863,000
Guyana - $3,938,000
Haiti - $131,849,000
Honduras - $44,965,000
Jamaica - $14,197,000
Latin American and Caribbean Regional - $67,283,000
Mexico - 30,938,000
Nicaragua - $41,390,000
Panama - $8,604,000
Paraguay - $10,815,000
Peru - $93,549,000


I mean yeah, you probably are right in some respect. Not all of that money is being spent on just buying sacks of rice and whatnot. A lot of it is being used to improve the economic and political health of these nations. More could be spent, but it's still better than nothing.

[lickmyballssuckmy]

Amazing huh? Those damn historically black colleges burning up our tax dollars.

Truth is, a vast majority of our budget is spent on things that our constitution specifically says are "reserved to the states". The federal government is a huge bucket of incompetent fraud, waste and abuse.

Good visual but it doesn't tell the whole sordid story and it asks stupid questions like why we spend more on jets than public housing. Well, duh. Because jets cost a lot of money compared to a house. If Jimmy Carter went around building a bunch of extravagant pubic mansions that cost as much as a jet, you'd be complaining about that.

It annoys me when somebody has a good point but then can't not be stupid and they have to take it too far by asking a question designed specifically to rile up somebody who's not really paying attention and just wants to be mad about something.

Originally Posted by klang

while we are talking about what the American budget is burned on, check this one .. http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/9410862/