how much do you 'owe' the RIAA?

[j2x]

Originally Posted by yoav

if it was free to make copies of my shit, and people taking those copies made more people aware of my shit and come out to my shows where they pay me money, instead of a record company that gives me virtually nothing then i wish they would.

i agree.

[MaxxedMan]

Originally Posted by j2x

i agree.

So does Kid Rock

Kid Rock Boycotts iTunes, Champions P2P | Listening Post

[decola]

Is it illegal if I say hypotheitcally download zipped files with passwords from rapidshare? (I <3 rapidshare)

[j2x]

Originally Posted by MaxxedMan

So does Kid Rock

Kid Rock Boycotts iTunes, Champions P2P | Listening Post

and trent reznor and a whole mess of other indie bands. I support the artist, not the publisher and in this modern age I don't think artists need publishers the same way they did before- but publishers depend on the artists for their revenue.

So I believe by buying a CD or paying for an MP3 you're only paying the system that exists only to make more money for themselves. Like yoav said, if you want to support the artist go to their shows and buy their CDs from their website. That's how modern artists get paid, not the pittance that publishers toss their way.

Publishers need to wake up to the modern digital age and redefine their role in the system because I really don't see their use.

[jeffdrafttech]

I can't say nothing because I downloaded a bunch of Christmas music on this forum a couple years ago. I also have a few technically-illegal rips of DVDs that I actually already own. I also usually buy used CDs when I buy music and I know that the original purchaser probably ripped himself a copy before selling (supporting the pirating)

I don't download stolen music tracks because my Windows machine is jacked up enough without downloading viruses and spyware via torrents.

Music is really really cheap. It's cheaper than it was 20 years ago. It's kind of a dick move to blatantly steal it. I have less sympathy for hip hop producers because they make a ton of cash with product placements, but they are still definitely getting screwed by illegal downloads.

[BrownEyedBtch]

Originally Posted by yoav

that used to be illegal :O, making a copy was considered a derivative work.. i think now you're allowed one digital copy for backup purposes ONLY!
unless you mean home movies, in which case it's soon to be illegal

If the copy was added to a filesharing network. I used to have albums on vinyl that I would put on my stereo to record it to a cassette, so I could listen to it on my walkman or my car radio. (Shows how old I am.) The difference was in the distribution of the copy, not the copy itself.

Again, a dead horse long beaten.

[Grapist]

Originally Posted by BrownEyedBtch

Again, a dead horse long beaten.

Just like starting up "What would Keith's Justice Do?".

/rolleyes.

[skizzbot]

Originally Posted by yoav

i'm in canada out of the riaa's jurisdiction...

That may be so, but it certainly applies to those of us who are in the states...

[j2x]

Originally Posted by jeffdrafttech

I can't say nothing because I downloaded a bunch of Christmas music on this forum a couple years ago. I also have a few technically-illegal rips of DVDs that I actually already own. I also usually buy used CDs when I buy music and I know that the original purchaser probably ripped himself a copy before selling (supporting the pirating)

I don't download stolen music tracks because my Windows machine is jacked up enough without downloading viruses and spyware via torrents.

Music is really really cheap. It's cheaper than it was 20 years ago. It's kind of a dick move to blatantly steal it. I have less sympathy for hip hop producers because they make a ton of cash with product placements, but they are still definitely getting screwed by illegal downloads.

but what purpose do the publisher's serve if not the interests of the artists? Why is it perceived that by "stealing" music you're stealing from the artist? In truth (I believe) it's the publishers who are loosing a proportionately much larger piece of the pie since most of their profit is gained from CD sales while artists make most of their money through concerts, advertising, and direct sales.

It has long seemed to me that the relationship between artists, their publishers, and their customers is a lot like the one we have nationally between private enterprise, the government, and the taxpayers. It's a giant tail wagging the dog scenario and I think that the public is finally having enough of that shit, in both cases. It is costing us all a lot more for what? Extra bureaucracy? wtf. fucking bs.

[j2x]

Originally Posted by BrownEyedBtch

Again, a dead horse long beaten.

I don't think it's a dead horse so long as the RIAA is suing. It takes a lot of people to rise up and demand change.