how much do you 'owe' the RIAA?

[Cretaceous Bob]

Originally Posted by yoav

i agree it's theft but point out again that downloading a song on limewire is NOT the same as stealing a cd from a record store, in canada ipods and other hard drives have a ~$30 tax which is distributed among artists, in canada it's not considered theft to download music, in canada there is no such thing as illegal music downloads.

You're right, it's not the same. A CD can only be stolen once, while a digital copy can be stolen infinitely.

Originally Posted by yoav

i support local artists and shows, and other independents including katg

No one gives a shit. That doesn't give you the right to steal.

Originally Posted by yoav

i believe the system needs to change, on an idealistic level, but also on a feasibility level, there is no sustainable or effective way to enforce copyright law. DRM doesn't work, spying on peoples computers should be illegal, etc.

Nothing's going to change, because there's no benefit to giving stuff away for free, and there are still people willing to pay for CDs.

There's no reason to give you cheap shits anything for free because you'll give nothing back for it.

Originally Posted by yoav

bob and i may disagree on the need to change the system but in my opinion it's clear and obvious it's not working and cannot work as we move into the future. artists need to get a bigger cut, and labels need to distribute music people like and will buy instead of just music that can be injected full of product placement.

...That's what many labels do. Many underground labels are supported by people who like music. Not thieves.

Originally Posted by yoav

we may also disagree on how to go about enacting change, I believe when a big entity preys on unaware grandmothers for babbillions of dollars and are allowed to because they control and dictate the system they deserve a huge fuck you.

How about dumb bitches shouldn't prey on artists?

Originally Posted by yoav

I believe if they're allowed to continue without speaking out against them, the next step will be to sue you for a babillion dollars if you purchase music as a cd and copy the songs onto your ipod, which in current US Copyright Law is ILLEGAL. in fact the RIAA had press releases declaring their will to do just that, several times.

I agree that should be stopped. That isn't inextricably coupled with your dumb anti-artist stance.

Originally Posted by yoav

it's for these reasons that i maintain and persist to fuck the riaa, and apparently rub bob the wrong way(poem a ©Yoav 2009) to such a degree that he tries to unfoundedly degrade and insult me in every controversial thread instead of engage me. it hurts bob, it hurts down deep. if you hit any lower, you'd be at my feet(poem b ©Yoav 2009)

The RIAA sucks, yes, but advocating the dissolution of a system that exchanges art for pay is not the right way to go about fighting them.

And insulting you is completely justified. You are a thief. I do not like thieves.

[BrownEyedBtch]

Originally Posted by yoav

well said, but the real victim here is the tourism industry, the real scumbag is the photographer. who's gonna go travelling when photographers are going around making copies of places and putting it on the net? or worse selling them for profit? imagine the TIAA raided your house and sued you and was awarded 2 million dollars for having 24 pictures of Hawaii on your harddrive.

Not exactly, people will still travel. But the photographer will not be able to make a living if I download his photos and print them myself. That's what makes ME the scumbag.

[Cretaceous Bob]

Originally Posted by yoav

im not anti artist though, im anti riaa, i support artists, and i'm not a thief in my country. Furthermore your logic that thieves who steal music for their own listening pleasure don't like music is ridiculously flawed.

If they liked it, they wouldn't steal it. They steal it because it is available, not because they like it.

I don't care if your country permits thievery, you are still a thief.

You are anti-artist if they are asking you to pay them money for their work and you are flipping them the deuces.

[cbooty]

Bob, let me take a shot in the dark here, but do you play in a shitty band that doesn't make any money?

[KatGuhJam]

Little bit of a new question here....

Suppose someone BUYS an edited CD. Is it okay for them to illegally download, through whatever means, unedited versions of the songs with censors?

[Subsonix]

Watch this RiP: A Remix Manifesto

And form some better arguments.


kthnkbai

[Cretaceous Bob]

Originally Posted by cbooty

Bob, let me take a shot in the dark here, but do you play in a shitty band that doesn't make any money?

Let me take a shot in the dark here and guess that you don't have much of an attention span, and you frequently annoy people with stupid questions that have already been covered.

[Fourbid]

I'm fairly sure I don't owe them anything until I'm caught and convicted.

[m0o0op]

To original question: No. I don't steal music.

(I only buy music because I make music, and if I don't pay for mine, I don't know why people would pay for the music I make.)

[BrownEyedBtch]

Originally Posted by Fourbid

I'm fairly sure I don't owe them anything until I'm caught and convicted.

You actually believe that? It's not a crime if you don't get caught? What an idiot.