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Old 06-16-2021, 12:09 AM   #81 (permalink)
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I think only a trans person can decide that.
Same as only a person of color can decide if a behavior is racist or not. I, a white person might think something is totally fine, because of my own blind spots.
I disagree. In what way was keithís question transphobic? I mean no disrespect but maybe trans people are too close to the situation to assess whether someone is transphobic or not. They may feel offended or think Keith is a jerk, but that doesnít warrant labeling him transphobic. The term is thrown out constantly these days, a buzzword that shuts down any real dialogue.
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Old 06-16-2021, 01:34 AM   #82 (permalink)
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For the record, I dont think you were transphobic. I think she was hostile to that question coming from you due to her own trauma, which is for her to work through, and what ultimately made this one a fail. She shouldnít have agreed to be on a talk show.

Itís like me getting tired of ppl asking me where Iím from or what I am, bc they donít immediately know what theyíre looking at due to my being mixed. I can get angry about the nature of my identity or I can embrace that those questions will come; and oftentimes from people who are just plain curious. Unfortunately, for trans folk, their identity is wrapped up in sex change operations and gender identity, so thatís what people will ask about, which admittedly I can imagine would suck after the nth time.
Was your documentary called Being Mixed?
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Old 06-16-2021, 01:40 AM   #83 (permalink)
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I disagree. In what way was keithís question transphobic? I mean no disrespect but maybe trans people are too close to the situation to assess whether someone is transphobic or not. They may feel offended or think Keith is a jerk, but that doesnít warrant labeling him transphobic. The term is thrown out constantly these days, a buzzword that shuts down any real dialogue.
I didnít bring it up.
But would you also say black people are too close to the situation to assess if something is racist or not?
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Old 06-16-2021, 02:13 AM   #84 (permalink)
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I didnít bring it up.
But would you also say black people are too close to the situation to assess if something is racist or not?
Please advise.
( it does feel great to say it!)
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Old 06-16-2021, 05:16 AM   #85 (permalink)
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I didnít bring it up.
But would you also say black people are too close to the situation to assess if something is racist or not?
Well - yes. People can feel hurt or angry or outraged but that doesnít mean they know where the other person is coming from. Again, i believe in dialogue, not hurling buzzwords.
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Old 06-16-2021, 05:33 AM   #86 (permalink)
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Here a story that shows me in a asleep mode 20 years ago:

I, a white woman in Europe who saw herself as non racist but obviously had some blind spots.
And we have an other kind of racism here. We hardly have any black people here and a different history.
A friend asked me if I thought a white person dressing up as a black person for a costume party was something racist. She heard about it and didnít know what to make of it.
It was, as I said about 20 years ago.
I thought about it and in my logic it wasnít. I thought because I as a white person wouldnít mind a black person dressing up as a white person, it was also ok the other way. ( I never did it, it was just in my thoughts)
I didnít know about the history of black face. It also not something done here in Germany.
So was my opinion ok just because I didnít intend to be racist? No, it was not.
Luckily I learned about it and I cringe when I think about it.
I tell you this story with myself in the wrong to say that the good Intension didnít free me from being racist.
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Old 06-16-2021, 09:34 AM   #87 (permalink)
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Well - yes. People can feel hurt or angry or outraged but that doesnít mean they know where the other person is coming from. Again, i believe in dialogue, not hurling buzzwords.
😂😂😂

Cmon fam. Thatís ridiculous.
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Old 06-16-2021, 10:15 AM   #88 (permalink)
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Cmon fam. Thatís ridiculous.
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Old 06-16-2021, 12:23 PM   #89 (permalink)
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Interesting thread and a lot of interesting points and perspectives.


This person makes their living in the entertainment industry by supposedly being funny, I mean FFS the documentary is called "Funny that Way". The film company asked for her to be on the podcast, mainly, presumably to attract attention to the film. From what I recall, the gender reassignment surgery was at least a decade ago?

This person makes jokes about the surgery in their act.

One would think that they could have easily deflected Keith's question and put in one of her one-liners, and responded, "I don't really know the details I thought I was getting a tonsillectomy.", which before you roast me is one of her jokes found on Youtube. Easy tag line, Keith would have got the hint, people would have laughed and found her engaging.

If I had heard that interview, I would likely watch the documentary. With the person I saw and how they responded, nope, not interesting, miserable person, wtf am I going to learn from them or be entertained by.

Let's be clear here, for some reason she didn't like Keith from the get-go that was clear.

She had a real opportunity to be funny and she wasn't and let's be clear here, that is her job.
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Old 06-16-2021, 01:51 PM   #90 (permalink)
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Was your documentary called Being Mixed?
This is why I disagree with the idea that you were transphobic or out of line. I really think it was a problem on her end with you, for whatever reason.

The idea Hera Again brought up on people being ďtoo closeĒ to something to assess racism or transphobia is equally ridiculous. At the same time, I can appreciate that some of us are bewildered at some of the others qualifying this as transphobia.
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