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Old 09-02-2022, 03:57 PM   #1 (permalink)
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3579: Deep Thoughts w/ Myq Kaplan and Shane Mauss

Deep thinkers Myq Kaplan and Shane Mauss join KATG, and the gang discusses psychedelics and the psych ward, Joe Biden walking back his comments on Trump supporters, and the largest sentence yet for a Capitol insurrectionist.

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To Keith's point on this episode as to his misunderstanding of NAZI's as right wing and claiming people who understand them to be left wing are wrong:

I guess the understanding of whether the National Socialist Workers Party was left or right wing comes back to definitions. If you understand socialism to be the concentration of the means of production under the state's ownership or at their control for the greater good of the collective (the society) and you see the collective force used upon individuals in the service of the greater good to be a left hallmark (which has been true through history) then the National Socialist Workers Party would be a leftist ideology in the traditional left:right continuum. If however you focus on the transient adaptation of the modifier term Nationalist to the effort which they used as a marketing term to bring in more voting early in their rise (the main opposition party were nationalistic and using the term and rhetoric for a few years they could hope to split or garner undue votes {those few years where votes still mattered}) but had full intentions to not be in anyway nationalist (see all written records - plan was directly inline {though they hated the man} with Marx around the international Unified New World Order that was the end goal) then, I guess you could misunderstand a small element that they never planned to honor nor acted upon within their movement to be right on the traditional left:right spectrum.

The explicit and definitional practices such as the practice of controlling the means of production by the state directly such as forced "volunteer" labor of "Germans" and forced labor for "the others" as well as the indirect state control of the means of production through undue and tyrannical control of the market and specifically corporations along with all the anti-freedom actions like censorship through state owned and controlled (sound familiar) media and other state owned/controlled repression actions in service of the greater society seem to make it fall far left. Even the killing of the unfit/unwilling to work and reproduce (old and sick and gay and Roma) or the society within the society (Jews) that didn't contribute to the collective society (see the issue of individual rights vs collective "greater good") was directly on par with leftist hallmarks.

This is also why Fascism, Communism, Marxism, Trotskyism, Maoism, Lennonism, Stalinism, etc. which are subcategories of Socialism are all traditionally "left" ideas.

At the end of the analysis whether those specific ideas where left or right the important thing I think for people highlighting them is to see how the use of collective force through government directed at individuals or specific groups so they do not receive equal rights under the law (looks familiar to what is being setup currently, right?) devolves into Tyranny rapidly. Whether you call it left or right; Government is the problem and should be kept small, rare and safe.


For a bonus point- can anyone name a single Country in history that has survived multiple generations with large levels of Government intervention and daily control of their subjects? Hint: you can't. But the Romans? When the government began to get large...the fall of Rome. But USSR...failed almost immediately but took a long time to admit it and let the world see. But the Byzantines...same. But China...famine reconstruction then hold my beer.


Very much open to someone explaining to me why NAZI is the exception to the rule and should be classified against the definition and be a "right" movement. I'm not a smart person and have been wrong before.
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“To Keith’s point …”

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I'm not a smart person and have been wrong before.
Now THIS I can get behind. Maybe you logged into the wrong account and replied to yourself on accident all those times? Makes total sense to me
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Now THIS I can get behind. Maybe you logged into the wrong account and replied to yourself on accident all those times? Makes total sense to me
I never thought of it like that. This is a strong argument, I'll reconsider.
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