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Again, you leave out the constant coffee enemas they stick up your ass. Explain to me how that detoxifies your body. Especially considering that this treatment has left many people with bleeding bowels. In 1990, a study done in Austria did have limited beneficial results when following a diet regimen similar to the Gerson plan, in that cancer patients lived an additional two years compared to those who did not follow the diet. When you're dying of cancer, two additional years of life is great. But they still died of cancer. Claims that this diet "reverses" or "cures" cancer are sheer bullshit. Unfortunately there currently is no cure for cancer.
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I would much prefer to see studies outside of the Gerson Institute that show the many benefits of coffee enemas. What's odd to me about the whole coffee enema thing is that the Gerson Institute claims that its diet is meant to reduce your sodium and increase your potassium, which in turn.....does something good. At any rate, both the NIH and the American Cancer Society report that the coffee enema prompts your body to release potassium. So, you eat these foods to boost your potassium which is then leeched out of your body by the coffee at the other end. What does this accomplish? Do the "toxins" ride the potassium out of your body? That makes zero sense. Sounds more like you're going to get dehydrated at the best, and seriously fuck up your electrolytes at the worst.
I can fully believe that eating whole foods and limiting processed foods is going to make you healthier. But is it some magical cure that gives your body superpowers to fight cancer? No. He started with a good idea of eating well, and then went into la-la land with a bunch of pseudo-science. Also, when you read the diet's requirements, they are a little psychotic, IMO: Quote:
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Another reason it isn't taken seriously is because the proponents refuse to do testing with a scientific methodology. To be taken seriously an idea has to be passed through a very organized, well documented, controlled series of tests. These tests have to be done over and over inside a particular lab. Then the data and methodology needs to be reviewed outside of that. Then the findings need to be replicated outside of that lab using the same methodology. Once all of these things are done, and verified, the theory is given scientific weight. Even then it depends on if we're talking cellular tests v animal tests v human tests. You have to be very careful when looking at something that says "testing shows" because yeah, sure, one test one time could have shown an effect and then it was never reproduced. Or the methodology was sloppy, or not released, or there was a small sample, it wasn't double blind, etc etc. This is the exact issue with orthomolecular treatments (and also the Gerson treatment from the little I just read), there are no controlled, methodolgically sound, testing. And in the case of orthomolecular it's been proven dangerous just on the scientific basis of the effects of vitamins in those doses. |
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Well, you definitely lead me to some interesting reading. After reading the below linked blog post about the movie "The Beautiful Truth," someone in the comments linked to this Reuters article. Cancer rates have been declining since the 1990's. They attribute it to fewer people smoking, number one, but also improved cancer treatments.
Rate of new U.S. cancer cases drops for first time | Reuters And here is a doctor describing that movie and its "woo" factor: Science-Based Medicine » The (Not-So-)Beautiful (Un)Truth about the Gerson protocol and cancer quackery And finally, THIS is something that simply cannot be overlooked. People like Charlotte Gerson claim that Big Pharma and the government are blocking access to "the Truth" due to greed. But these same people charge an ungodly amount of money for their treatments, as described in this comment posted to the blog post. Charlotte Gerson is taking advantage of dying people for financial gain just as surely as Big Pharma does. This man's father is dying of pancreatic cancer: Quote:
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Another point, when was the last time we heard on TV that someone OD'd on vitamins? Now ask yourself the same about prescription pills. I'm not against modern medicine. I just think people need to know there are other options when it comes to curing diseases, not specifically cancer. I'm not here to sway opinions, I am really here to make my point of view clear. It seems extremely obvious to me that preparing your body for the toxic environment we live in, and curing it with nature makes more sense than pumping ourselves full of chemicals to try to fix an ailment. Everything is about convenience now. I say my head hurts, the doctor says take an anti-inflammatory medication. But why does my head hurt? That’s a hard question to ask. It’s easier for doctors to prescribe chemicals because they haven’t explored other options. It started out as laziness and morphed into ignorance. Americans in particular are obsessed with convenience and it’s killing us. That is the initial point I was initally trying to make. It has really spiraled out of control, haha. All the way to the benefits of coffee enemas. |
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You keep talking about nature, but nature made cancer in the first place. Cancer is a naturally occurring thing. Nature is the progenitor of rapacious treatment.
Nature will make your organs rupture for no fucking reason at all. Humans will at least wait to do it until you're sitting on some land they want or something. Nature will fuck you as much as it will help you, and cancer is the "fucking you" kind of nature. It seems like you shouldn't trust it at that point. |
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