3105: Feelings Words w/ Andrea Allan

[Jo_Culprit]

Why wasn't there any consideration for Keith to to just feel a degree of apathy or resignation about his father in the argument on this episode? From Keith's stories about his Dad over the years it always just felt like over Keith's childhood he ended up just seeing his Father as less than him. Keith has always come across as a pragmatic person as well, so why despair about his Father being a weirdo when he has a modicum of gratefulness growing up with what he did have compared to others less fortunate.

Chemda and Andrea are very locked into the mental models they've been exposed to in their own therapy sessions and seem to be unaware the psychology as a science is far more broad than those simplified models used by American therapists. The american therapy model is often criticized in Clinical Psychology outside of the US for being a system that perpetuates the need for therapy indefinitely, bleeding money more from the patient.

It was such a strange 'intervention' or 'helping' to listen to, Chemda and Andrea just sounded like they were projecting onto Keith the whole time. When Keith's reactions fell outside of they model that trivialized and dismissed what he was saying -.- This honestly felt very cult like to me, essentially saying 'You don't even know you're wrong, we have all the answers'.

- There's no room for any level apathy or resignation because that meant he was a sociopath? Wtf? This was a ridiculous thing to insinuate.
- 'There can't be anger without sadness as well' this is projection.

[Liquid]

When Chemda mentioned the combined affect of different drugs, it reminded me that anytime i drink and do mushrooms or LSD my hallucinations are much more fluid in nature. Especially when i need to pee!

Just wanted to share. That's all. Also I'm on Keith's side. Apathy should be an acceptable feeling.

[panicBoy]

I find nothing abnormal about how Keith is processing this latest episode. I feel like this has been a recurring argument for many years now. Keith should be angrier, Keith should be sadder, Keith should, Keith should.

Keith’s fine. His DAD, however, is FUCKED. But Keith is okay.

You know, not GREAT, but okay. I mean, that was his dad after all. For all this shit he had to grow up with, couldn’t he be A LOT FUCKIN’ WORSE?

[invader]

I'm shocked Chemda didn't see any visuals on mushrooms. Both times I took mushrooms the visuals were the first thing that hit me. Both times I took them on a completely empty stomach and washed them down with a glass of orange juice, both things I was told would heighten the experience. First thing that happened was everything looked "wet" like water was flowing over it. Patterns began to swim, then colors got intensely bright and pulse. The next thing I knew my consciousness felt like it was in my girlfriend's bod and I was experiencing my apartment from her perspective. But not just visually also mentally and emotionally.

I have no idea what dose I took. Once I learned it was physically impossible to die from an overdose I just packed them in my mouth.

[Abby]

Hey Keith, I think you need to look at a feelings wheel. It shows all the emotions and where they land on Angry/Sad/Happy

It helped me identify emotions I didn't even realize I was feeling. My issues are different but I've learned to suppress my emotions and its basically where all my problems come from.

The feelings wheel is magical!

[littlp]

I think Keith has been dealing with this for so long that he has processed it to the point where he is just annoyed. He was able to use his book to vent as well as the show. That’s the way he processes it. I don’t get the impression that he is pushing anything deep down. He is surprisingly well-adjusted all things considered.


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[BrotherWayne]

Andrea, a couple of things I've learned about sleep:

- benadryl or any antihistamine is not something you should take daily for long periods for sleep, it is correlated with dementia

- avoiding blue light is super important; try using some blue blocker shades and reading a book for an hour before you need to go to bed

- don't get in bed until you're REALLY tired

- use low amounts of melatonin, start with 1mg

- cool and dark room is helpful

- exercise is important

- THC is inconsistent with sleep assistance, some people experience a bounce-back in the middle of the night and sleep poorly because of it

I've been working with a sleep medicine doctor for years now.

[littlp]

Originally Posted by BrotherWayne

Andrea, a couple of things I've learned about sleep:



- benadryl or any antihistamine is not something you should take daily for long periods for sleep, it is correlated with dementia



.

It also can cause sleep disturbances such as sleep walking, talking etc. and do not do ambien because it causes the same issues. Trazadone usually helps. ~healthcare social worker who works closely with an NP


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[Jameira]

Originally Posted by Steph

Recently I learned people respond to trauma in different ways. Some people actually experience post-traumatic growth instead of post-traumatic stress disorder.

This podcast gave me this information:
https://unfuckyourbrain.com/trauma/

It might be that Keith is not experiencing his emotions but it could also be that he is not traumatized. Everyone is different.

Thanks a lot for more podcast debt, Steph!!! 😂🤣 I found some cool topics and the episodes are bite-size so they won’t really interfere with my other shows

[MartinCrow]

Originally Posted by Keith

When I heard back Monday’s show I heard I said that my dad is annoying.

That’s the feelings word. I’m annoyed.

Not angry. Not sad. Annoyed.

But how does it FEEL to be annoyed, Keith? How does it FEEEEEL!!?