2161: She's Always a Woman

[Scumhook]

Originally Posted by marykae

Lots of women have physical advantages over other women, that does not make them men.

I would argue that these physical advantages make them moar of a woman, and waaay less manly.

I assume you're talking about T&A sizes.


Mmmmmm, boobies....

[invader]

Fuck it, why even separate based on gender at all? I proposed one giant league that anyone and everyone is allowed to compete in. I'd call it the "what the fuck do I know anyway" league. It will be glorious.

[invader]

Originally Posted by marykae

Raising the bar for women, specifically. Lots of women have physical advantages over other women, that does not make them men.

Correct, their genetic make up decides that. But we shouldn't go by that either?

[marykae]

Originally Posted by invader

Correct, their genetic make up decides that.

How do you mean?

[Sparrow]

Originally Posted by marykae

A male brained person can't say how they would feel if they were a female. I mean, they can try, but I can't take them seriously.

i don't have a formed opinion about the topic at hand, but i did want to throw in that this is such horseshit. Y chromosomes don't make anyone incapable of empathy or of being able to extrapolate what a situation might be like for another human being. we ask men all the time to see it from our side; when they do, maybe give them the benefit of the doubt. right or wrong, don't write them off because they have a penis.

[marykae]

Originally Posted by Sparrow

i don't have a formed opinion about the topic at hand, but i did want to throw in that this is such horseshit. Y chromosomes don't make anyone incapable of empathy or of being able to extrapolate what a situation might be like for another human being. we ask men all the time to see it from our side; when they do, maybe give them the benefit of the doubt. right or wrong, don't write them off because they have a penis.

This has nothing to do with having a penis and everything to do with being a man in this society. Those are not the same thing.

I am happy when men try to understand what women go through. What I am not happy with are men saying what they would do if they were a woman.

How many times do I have to hear a man say what he would do in a certain situation, when they have NONE of the baggage that comes with being a woman?

[invader]

Originally Posted by marykae

How do you mean?

From a strictly scientific point of view your XY, XX chromosomes decides if you are male or female. From a social point of view a person may not identify with whatever cards they were dealt, that's fine and that is something that should be respected and dealt with. But to totally ignore that their is a difference...

[marykae]

Originally Posted by invader

From a strictly scientific point of view your XY, XX chromosomes decides if you are male or female. From a social point of view a person may not identify with whatever cards they were dealt, that's fine and that is something that should be respected and dealt with. But to totally ignore that their is a difference...

I don't understand, who is ignoring the differences? I am acknowledging them and comparing them to cis women who have advantages (Taller, shorter, faster metabolism, etc).

[invader]

Originally Posted by marykae

I don't understand, who is ignoring the differences? I am acknowledging them and comparing them to cis women who have advantages (Taller, shorter, faster metabolism, etc).

Okay, but the variation of strength, muscle building ability within a sex is not nearly as great as the variation between the sexes. The two aren't comparable.

[Sparrow]

Originally Posted by marykae

How many times do I have to hear a man say what he would do in a certain situation, when they have NONE of the baggage that comes with being a woman?

it's the beginning of a dialogue if we ladies could respond to it as such and not with the full force of the chips on our shoulders.

i bet there are women in the field who feel differently than you do about this issue. i think dave put forth a valid portrait of what that might look like. your baggage isn't everyone's baggage. i would encourage you to put yours down and maybe look at it from a different angle. you don't have to buy it, but it's not complete crap.